Episode 102
Navigating Career Change with Ceri Hughes
Ceri Hughes shares her transformative journey from a long-standing senior role at KPMG to becoming an executive and career coach. Ceri exemplifies the power of aligning one's career with personal values. After spending 30 years in corporate life, Ceri made the brave decision to pivot her career, prioritizing joy and freedom over financial security.
In this episode of The Career Confidence Podcast, Ceri reflects on her rich experiences at KPMG, including her significant contributions to knowledge management and employee well-being while also addressing the challenges of maintaining work-life balance. As she now embraces her new path, Ceri inspires listeners to trust their instincts and be open to the possibilities that come with change.
Key points
- The importance of aligning career choices with personal values for fulfilment.
- Building a strong professional network can provide invaluable support during career transitions.
- Embracing change can lead to exciting new opportunities.
- The significance of asking for help is crucial in maintaining career confidence and growth.
- Finding joy and freedom in work is essential for long-term career satisfaction.
- The importance of work-life balance in enhancing overall well-being.
Transcript
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Nicholas Semple:Welcome to the Career Confidence Podcast, where we share inspiring stories, practical strategies, hints and tips so that you can build your career with confidence in this ever changing world.
Nicholas Semple:I'm your host, Nicholas Semple, a career and confidence coach and author of the Career Confidence Toolkit.
Nicholas Semple:Today, I am delighted to welcome you to episode 102 of the podcast, where I'm joined by Kerry Hughes.
Nicholas Semple:There are people that you come across in your career that when you meet them, you just know that they are the real deal.
Nicholas Semple: worked with Kerry in the mid: Nicholas Semple:It's been amazing to follow her career trajectory and watch her career go from strength to strength.
Nicholas Semple:But I wanted to invite Kerry to share her story today because to me, she's the epitome of living aligned to her values.
Nicholas Semple:And I know that aligning with your values is something that is talked about a lot, but it can be quite hard to articulate what that actually looks like.
Nicholas Semple:And for Kerry, it was about making some brave decisions at the start of the pandemic.
Nicholas Semple:After a quarter of a century living in London, Kerry relocated back to her hometown in South Wales and became a permanent home worker at KPMG.
Nicholas Semple: And then at the end of: Nicholas Semple:She has figured out what she wants and she's made it happen.
Nicholas Semple:So let's hear what Kerry has to say.
Host:Kerry, hello.
Kerry Hughes:Hello.
Host:I am so excited to have you here.
Host:Not just because you are Kerry Hughes, but I have known Kerry Hughes to be the very capable and competent operations director from KPMG that I've known for probably close to 20 years now.
Kerry Hughes:That's right.
Host:But the Kerry Hughes that sits in front of me today is a slightly different version of that Kerry Hughes.
Host:She is an executive and career coach.
Kerry Hughes:That's right.
Kerry Hughes:Big change.
Kerry Hughes:Yes.
Kerry Hughes:And thank you for inviting me to join you.
Kerry Hughes:And it's.
Kerry Hughes:It's very exciting to be talking about the change.
Host:Brilliant.
Host:So let's.
Host:Let's roll back a little bit.
Host:So let's go back to you leaving Cardiff University.
Host:You'd just got your master's.
Host:Then what happened?
Kerry Hughes:Well, as I was leaving university, I didn't really know exactly what I wanted to do.
Kerry Hughes:I loved information, I loved organisation, I love books and reading.
Kerry Hughes:So I started after university in librarianship and that led me to a graduate scheme in central government libraries and then information management led me into knowledge management, which was emerging at the time.
Kerry Hughes:And then after some time in knowledge management in corporate life, I moved into professional services at KPMG and I initially joined the firm for one or two years to get some professional services experience on my CV and ended up staying 25 years.
Kerry Hughes:I spent my first 15 years there working in knowledge management, having a great time traveling the world, including building out part of the captive offshore business in India, which was hugely challenging and rewarding and gave me the opportunity to learn a lot, to stretch myself and develop some wonderful friendships there.
Kerry Hughes: In: Kerry Hughes:I spent three years as KPMG's head of learning, which was an incredible privilege.
Kerry Hughes:Firms like KPMG attract exceptional talent who join because they know there's going to be an investment made in their development leading the team.
Kerry Hughes:That ensured that the learning opportunities provided to everyone from student colleagues to the most senior partners was a really brilliant role to be in.
Kerry Hughes:And although I was at KPMG for 25 years, as you'll have gathered, I moved around a lot in that time in different parts of our business, different countries that I worked in, taking different opportunities.
Kerry Hughes:I always had a career development plan in mind, but I allowed myself to deviate from that and to take new opportunities as they arose, particularly as unforeseen opportunities arose to do new things or to take advantage of the skills and experience that I developed and to find new opportunities for development in the twists and turns of my career that opened up for me.
Kerry Hughes:So when Covid started, I was asked to step aside from my learning role and lead KPMG's colleague and wellbeing response to the pandemic.
Kerry Hughes:Now, there's no playbook for this.
Kerry Hughes:It wasn't expected.
Kerry Hughes:So I had to work with others to very quickly re engineer our entire employee life cycle to be delivered in an entirely newly virtual world, whilst supporting colleagues through an incredibly challenging and in some cases heartbreaking time.
Kerry Hughes:We also needed to focus on attracting and retaining and developing talent and ensuring that colleagues were engaged and motivated during really challenging circumstances in work and at home.
Kerry Hughes:And whilst no one would have wished for us to be in that situation, what this role gave me was the opportunity to deeply understand the end to end employee life cycle and our people function, operations.
Kerry Hughes:And after the height of the pandemic, the role that I had for the last few years before leaving KPMG last year was heading up our People Function operations.
Kerry Hughes:And that is helping the Chief People Officer at KPMG to run the people function.
Kerry Hughes:A very large part of the business, employing hundreds of colleagues with a large annual budget consistent throughout.
Kerry Hughes:Every role that I've had has been an opportunity to provide coaching and mentoring to others.
Kerry Hughes:And I never really understood how much I enjoyed this and how much energy I got from it until one of KPMG's professional coaches asked me why I hadn't considered coaching as a next step in my own career.
Kerry Hughes:Initially, I scoffed at this thought was a hilarious suggestion.
Kerry Hughes:But when I took time to consider it, I decided to investigate qualifying as an executive coach, which I did alongside my KPMG role.
Kerry Hughes:And it took me a while to actually build up the confidence and the courage to leave the safety of kpmg.
Kerry Hughes:I did that last autumn and now I'm working as an executive and career coach.
Host:Hooray.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And we'll delve into that and that transition and everything that came with it in a few minutes.
Host:But first of all, just to note, right at the beginning you said I got to KPMG and I thought I'll stay there for one or two years, get some experience and then move on.
Kerry Hughes:Yeah.
Host:And that is so common with so many people.
Host:But what I also loved about what you were saying was that you had this career development plan, but you were open to the changes that might come as a result of what was happening in the marketplace or the opportunities that were arising.
Host:So if you think back over the span of that time that you were with the organization, what stands out to you?
Host:Some of the key milestones of the things that you look back on and you think, oh my goodness, I can't believe I got to be involved in that.
Kerry Hughes:Well, I think what I hadn't realized when I joined kpmg, and I mean, obviously I'm talking about my KPMG experience, there are other professional services firms, other firms that would provide similar opportunities.
Kerry Hughes:But what I hadn't really got my head around when I joined is that the firm was so large, so diverse, spread over so many different countries, that the role that I was joining to take on, the knowledge management role, which was a UK based role at the time, actually would open doorways to so many other possibilities, things that I couldn't have even envisaged, imagined when I joined.
Kerry Hughes:So whilst there were, there were progression milestones, promotion milestones as I got more senior and actually one of the most intense learning experiences I had at KPMG was the path to being promoted to director, where the firm invested a lot of time, a lot of commitment, a lot of money in director candidates.
Kerry Hughes:And I worked with a coach, I worked with a cohort of other people.
Kerry Hughes:And the learning experience there was intense and very long lasting.
Kerry Hughes:So there were, there are lots of career progression milestones, but the things that really stick with me are, well, I mentioned earlier that opportunity to work as part of the team setting up our captive offshore operations in India.
Kerry Hughes:I didn't have experience of building offshore operations when I started on that project and then spent a lot of time building out that team in India, getting to know the local market very well, getting to know local skill sets very well, building relationships, building my network there.
Kerry Hughes:And that was hugely rewarding.
Kerry Hughes:It challenged me in a way that I needed to be much more aware of myself and how I presented myself and delivered my work in a different culture.
Kerry Hughes:Working in India is a very different culture to working in the uk.
Kerry Hughes:But it also gave me the opportunity to develop some fantastic relationships and friendships and to experience Indian weddings, for example, and Indian home cooked cuisine.
Kerry Hughes:Lots of fun examples that came along with thinking about how to deliver a strategy, a plan in a different country, in a different culture.
Kerry Hughes:So there's lots of milestones like that.
Kerry Hughes:And I think as I look back on my career, one of the things I really enjoyed was the opportunity to travel, to work in different countries, to experience and be exposed to different cultures and to grow an international network, not just a network of colleagues in the uk.
Host:And as you talk about that, what really strikes me is these were big, meaty roles that you had.
Host:You, you were responsible for a lot there, there was a lot of weight on your shoulders.
Host:What did you do to maintain your confidence during that time?
Host:You know, were there days that you'd wake up and think, oh my goodness, can I really do this?
Kerry Hughes:There were many days when I woke up or didn't go to sleep because I was worried that I couldn't do it.
Kerry Hughes:And there are a couple of things that come to mind there.
Kerry Hughes:I knew I had to appear confident, so I grew very good at what I guess we'd call faking it until you make it.
Kerry Hughes:But that's exhausting.
Kerry Hughes:Pretending to be confident when you're not feeling confident is exhausting.
Kerry Hughes:It's inauthentic and it puts a lot of pressure in an already pressurized situation.
Kerry Hughes:So one of my big career confidence lessons throughout my career has been to ask for help.
Kerry Hughes:And, you know, I, I can honestly say, as I look back and you think of all of the different ways in which and the examples of which I've asked for help.
Kerry Hughes:No one's ever said, no, no one's ever said, I'm not willing to help you.
Kerry Hughes:Now they might have said, I can't help you today, but I know somebody who can.
Kerry Hughes:Or I haven't got capacity right now, but this is what I would do.
Kerry Hughes:Have a think about this.
Kerry Hughes:But no one's ever refused help.
Kerry Hughes:And you know, you're right.
Kerry Hughes:One of many of the roles that I had in my career had some heft in them and they had some big responsibility, but I never felt isolated and alone because I built a strong network around me in all of the roles that I had and have learned that you can tap into that network and people actually like to be asked to help.
Kerry Hughes:I love it when somebody asks me for advice or, you know, to help them or to mentor them.
Kerry Hughes:And in my experience, most people do.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And I think the idea of the power of your network is so valuable because as you move on from experience to experience, it's not that you leave your network behind, you take them with you and tap into them in the ways that might be useful.
Kerry Hughes:Yeah.
Kerry Hughes:And continue to build the network.
Host:Yes.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And so if I think about the conversation we're having just now, this is based on the fact that we are part of each other's network for over 20 years.
Host:And while we might not have certainly not day to day contact, but in some parts of that time, not even year to year contact, but you, you still know that person and can reach out to that person.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And as we progress through our career, we just gather our people around us.
Host:I refer to it as a career village.
Host:You, you, you bring people into your village and even if you aren't in contact with them on a regular basis, you know that you can tap into them at any point that you need to.
Host:The other thing that struck me as you were speaking with the, the heft that came with these roles, with the responsibility, with the travel.
Host:How did you manage to maintain a sense of work life balance or did you manage to maintain a sense of work life balance?
Kerry Hughes:Not always.
Kerry Hughes:And particularly, I think in the early days when, you know, I mentioned a moment ago that I often felt the need to appear confident when, when I started to, to travel a lot for work.
Kerry Hughes:You know, there's always an invitation to join colleagues for dinner, to have lunch together.
Kerry Hughes:Now, and I would always say yes to begin with.
Kerry Hughes:And it's lovely to connect with people out of work.
Kerry Hughes:It's lovely to get to know them a bit better and them to know you.
Kerry Hughes:So that's a great thing to do.
Kerry Hughes:But actually I'm naturally quite introverted and I don't get all of my energy from being with other people.
Kerry Hughes:So reasonably quickly over time, I learned that to preserve my energy, to make sure I had that right work life fit.
Kerry Hughes:Even when I was traveling for work, I needed to be able to say no to things and be selective about what I was committing to because it wasn't right for me and it certainly wouldn't be right for my colleagues if I was with them all the time and actually feeling really drained by that.
Kerry Hughes:So I recharge my energy actually by spending some time on my own by reading, by watching films.
Kerry Hughes:These days wouldn't be appropriate when I was traveling, but these days I do a lot of gardening, you know, those sort of individual activities that help me recharge.
Kerry Hughes:So I learned that I needed to be, again, be authentic and do what was right for me.
Kerry Hughes:So not always say yes to evening invitations or to lunch invitations and get the right blend.
Host:Yeah, brilliant.
Host:I love that.
Host:And it's about finding the right balance for the individual.
Kerry Hughes:Yeah.
Host:I'm very, I'm very similar to you.
Host:I need quite a bit of time on my own to recharge.
Host:But, but for some people it is about having those evening meals and lunch times and conversations and feeding off the energy of others.
Kerry Hughes:Yeah.
Kerry Hughes:And you know, sometimes it's the right thing to do for me and sometimes I get huge energy from that, but not all the time.
Kerry Hughes:It's all right having the, having the right balance.
Host:Yeah.
Host:Another thing that I find particularly interesting about your story is that even while you were still at kpmg, you had quite a major physical life relocation in that you moved from Canary Wharf in London to your home office in Wales.
Host:Can you, can you tell us a little bit more about how that came about and the impact that then had on the way that you worked with others?
Kerry Hughes:Yes.
Kerry Hughes:So you're right.
Kerry Hughes:I, I moved from living in Canary Wharf where I had a, you know, a lovely five minute walk, to work in the last five or six years of my time of working in London.
Kerry Hughes:And I'd lived in London for, you know, the best part of 30 years.
Kerry Hughes:I made the decision actually just before the start of the pandemic that I wanted to move back to Wales.
Kerry Hughes:Now at that point, what I'd agreed with my managers is that I would probably travel to London two or three times a week, but I would Move back to Wales, and I'd work in Wales two or three days a week, so I'd split the time evenly.
Kerry Hughes:Of course, the pandemic came and expedited that change.
Kerry Hughes:And I was very lucky that I still managed to complete the sale of my property and move back to Wales during that time of the pandemic.
Kerry Hughes:And I appreciate that was somewhat miraculous, and I was very lucky to do that.
Kerry Hughes:And then, of course, everyone was working from home.
Kerry Hughes:And first of all, if I think about the decision, why did I take the decision to do that?
Kerry Hughes:My family are here and I, although I haven't got children, I've got older relatives that I wanted to be able to spend more time with and be more support to.
Kerry Hughes:And I took the decision to come back to Wales.
Kerry Hughes:And even though I'd lived in London and away from home since university, I'd always retained close ties back to home and have always been very close to my family.
Kerry Hughes:So it seemed like a very natural and intuitive step for me.
Kerry Hughes:And I felt confident working from home because of my long tenure at the firm.
Kerry Hughes:I was at my strong network.
Kerry Hughes:I think I would have felt very different about the majority of my time working from home, irrespective of the pandemic, when we all had to work from home.
Kerry Hughes:But that working from home arrangement suited me because I felt confident in my role, confident in the firm, confident in my network.
Kerry Hughes:Earlier stages of my career, I would have still wanted to spend more time in the office, building my network, being able to learn from others.
Kerry Hughes:You know, that social learning, where we learn from observing others, being called in to sit in on meetings with more senior people to see how they operate, was so important in my development.
Kerry Hughes:So I wouldn't have wanted to miss that.
Kerry Hughes:And I do think that is a really important part of office time.
Kerry Hughes:So for me, it worked, and my employer was very supportive.
Kerry Hughes:So after, as the pandemic was coming to an end and things were getting back to some sort of normal, that original arrangement of needing to go into the office two or three days a week really had changed.
Kerry Hughes:And I was able to move to a home working contract where I only needed to go into the office a few days a month.
Kerry Hughes:And that gave me much more flexibility around where I was based.
Kerry Hughes:My role suited that.
Kerry Hughes:And as I said, my tenure in the organization meant that I was confident working in that way.
Kerry Hughes:It wouldn't be for everybody and it wouldn't have been importantly, wouldn't have been suitable for all stages of my career.
Host:Yeah, sure, sure.
Host:So you've got to a Point, you've relocated to Wales, still working for kpmg, still in these meaty, hefty roles, and then you got this inkling that maybe executive coaching was the right path for you.
Host:How did all of that come about?
Kerry Hughes:Well, it wasn't an easy decision and I was, and probably still am, excited and terrified about it in equal measure.
Kerry Hughes:And there are lots of reasons why I shouldn't have made the move.
Kerry Hughes:I had a challenging and rewarding role.
Kerry Hughes:I had a lot of comfort in my role.
Kerry Hughes:I loved it.
Kerry Hughes:I loved my job.
Kerry Hughes:I knew the organisation inside out.
Kerry Hughes:I had some great friends, worked with inspiring leaders and was well connected across the firm.
Kerry Hughes:And as I said, my employer was very relaxed about where I worked and I'd moved to a homeworking contract.
Host:So basically, you had hit the pot of gold.
Kerry Hughes:I had.
Kerry Hughes:I had.
Kerry Hughes:But.
Kerry Hughes:You're right, but.
Host:There's always a but.
Kerry Hughes:There was a big but.
Kerry Hughes:And that was the problem.
Kerry Hughes:Despite all of that, what I knew when I gave myself time to think and reflect, was that what I was doing wasn't giving me anywhere near as much energy or passion as coaching does.
Kerry Hughes:And I couldn't ignore that.
Kerry Hughes:It was there and it wouldn't go away.
Kerry Hughes:I couldn't ignore it.
Kerry Hughes:So it wasn't an easy change to make for all of those reasons.
Kerry Hughes:And I did a lot of work to prepare for the change.
Kerry Hughes:Importantly, I was really clear on what was important to me and that really helped.
Kerry Hughes:So, working actually with my own coach, I identified my personal values regarding work and they were joy, freedom and financial security.
Kerry Hughes:They are joy, freedom and financial security.
Kerry Hughes:And my role was really satisfying that third value.
Kerry Hughes:And that was comforting.
Kerry Hughes:It was paying me a wage at the end of each month, but it wasn't giving me as much joy and freedom as I wanted.
Kerry Hughes:And that was the thought I.
Kerry Hughes:I kept coming back to.
Kerry Hughes:So I had to do a lot of work and a lot of preparation to get to the point where I was ready to commit to.
Kerry Hughes:To leaving and to walking away.
Kerry Hughes:But I absolutely knew it was the.
Host:Right thing to do and such an incredibly brave thing to do to leave behind that financial security.
Host:Because that particularly, it being one of your three values to say, actually, do you know what?
Host:I'm going to prioritize the joy and freedom and trust that the financial security will come as a result of that joy and freedom.
Kerry Hughes:Yeah, that's right.
Kerry Hughes:Because what I learned was the financial security is important.
Kerry Hughes:Of course it is.
Kerry Hughes:We all have to pay our bills, there's no getting away from that.
Kerry Hughes:But in isolation, it Wasn't enough.
Host:Yeah.
Host:And so looking to the future, what.
Host:And when I say future, I'm, I'm going to say the future is the next three to five years because I personally can't think any further ahead than that particular time frame.
Host:But what does the next three to five years have in store for you?
Kerry Hughes: ead of us at the beginning of: Kerry Hughes:So to the extent that I can predict what I'm doing, what I would like to be spending my time on is a combination of executive and career coaching which is where I'm spending a lot of time right now and perhaps also getting another non exec role or an advisor role.
Kerry Hughes:I was very lucky in my last few years at KPMG I was also able to take on an advisor role to the remuneration committee at the Senate, the Welsh Parliament and prior to that I'd been on the board of the YWCA in London.
Kerry Hughes:So I've had a couple of advisor roles which I really enjoyed getting to know other organisations and taking some of the learning from my corporate and professional services career and applying them to other contexts.
Kerry Hughes:That's been really helpful for me in my growth and development but also really rewarding.
Kerry Hughes:So I'd like to do some more of that.
Kerry Hughes:But one of the reasons that I decided to make the change was to get better work, life fit to have more time to do the things that give me energy outside of work.
Kerry Hughes:So I'm being very intentional about how I design my work week now and not working the same sort of patterns that I'd worked previously.
Kerry Hughes:That actually served me very well when I was feeling very ambitious, when I wanted to grow to the next level of seniority.
Kerry Hughes:But that's not a driver for me now so it's not as important to me to work in that way.
Kerry Hughes:So I'm really being very intentional about what time I spend working and how I work.
Host:Yeah, I love that And I'm also just really, I was going to say curious but I'm going to go a step further than curious and just be nosy.
Host:What else do you like to get up to?
Kerry Hughes:Well, I mentioned gardening I love.
Kerry Hughes:I've got a garden that needs a lot of work.
Kerry Hughes:It's not one of these gardens that I love it when people say, well my garden sort of takes care of itself, mine doesn't mind the opposite of that.
Kerry Hughes:So I spend a lot of time in my Garden which is very steep at the back of my house so it does need a lot of work.
Kerry Hughes:But when I can see this progress gives me huge satisfaction.
Kerry Hughes:I spend a lot of time with my family and friends and also I am an absolute film nut.
Kerry Hughes:So I love watching and reading about films.
Host:Oh, brilliant.
Host:And just to slightly veer off piste, what's your number one film recommendation of the moment?
Host:What should we all go out and watch?
Kerry Hughes:Well, I am very much looking forward to this new Nicole Kidman film that is coming out.
Kerry Hughes:Yeah, I'm not sure it's going to be for all tastes but I love the idea of a middle aged woman taking complete control of her identity.
Kerry Hughes:Very, very pleased to see Demi Moore win a Golden Globe at this advanced stage of her fantastic career very recently.
Kerry Hughes:So probably because I identify with middle aged women, I am supporting the middle aged women at the moment.
Host:Brilliant.
Host:Now if middle aged Kerry looks back, what would she tell 21 year old Kerry?
Kerry Hughes:Well, I think first of all, as I said earlier on when I was at university studying history, I didn't really know where I wanted to take my career and that greatly troubled me at the time.
Kerry Hughes:So firstly I would tell her to relax and not be so concerned that she doesn't have it all mapped out.
Kerry Hughes:I, as I said, I've always had some sort of career plan which is helpful, but it's not helpful when you follow it with such rigidity that you haven't got your head up and you're not noticing the opportunities that might come along that mean deviation from the plan but provide chances to build new skills or to have experiences that bring color or excitement to your career or build your network in a different way that actually will serve you just as well as that very rigid career plan.
Kerry Hughes:I've learned that it's as important to enjoy the journey and trust in yourself as much as it is to have a plan to give you the surety that comes from having a route map.
Kerry Hughes:I'd also tell her to be comfortable to ask for more advice and I have really benefited from having a strong network and what I would describe as a personal board, what you describe in your book, Nicola, is a career village to advise me and that's been particularly useful as I've made recent big changes in my own career.
Kerry Hughes:It took me a long time build up the confidence to do that.
Kerry Hughes:I think now perhaps young women are more willing to ask for help than I was and to seek out mentors and advice than I was at the start of my career.
Kerry Hughes:And I'd really encourage this.
Kerry Hughes:I'm a mentor to a number of young women developing their careers and all have directly asked me for help.
Kerry Hughes:And whilst I got to that point all the time and have had some brilliant mentors because I asked for their help, I wouldn't have had the confidence to do that in the fledgling stages of my career.
Kerry Hughes:And in my experience, as most, most cases, established professionals understand how hard it can be to progress your career and they're only too happy to be asked to help and are willing to give up the time to mentor, to champion, to advocate.
Kerry Hughes:So I tell that younger version of myself to relax.
Kerry Hughes:I've always taken my career development seriously, but for a long time I thought that meant I had to be serious too.
Kerry Hughes:And I came to understand and value how important it is to enjoy what you do, to find moments of joy through work, particularly when you're working on tough projects or traveling a lot or working long hours and, you know, meeting challenging deadlines.
Kerry Hughes:So whether that's building friendships at work or growing your professional network, going for a coffee with a new colleague, getting out and getting some fresh air with colleagues, or just using appropriate humour to call out and manage stressful situations, being myself and being open to having fun at work is a really important tool.
Kerry Hughes:It's helpful to be more authentically me and has helped me build up my career confidence.
Host:Brilliant.
Host:Kerry.
Host:I, for one, I'm delighted that you're a part of my career village.
Host:If anybody is listening to this and would like to keep in contact with you, follow along and find out more about the work you do.
Host:Where's the best place for them to go to do that?
Kerry Hughes:LinkedIn.
Kerry Hughes:I'm very easily findable on LinkedIn and I would love to connect.
Host:Brilliant.
Host:Thank you so much, Kerry.
Kerry Hughes:Oh, thank you for the invitation to join you.
Kerry Hughes:I've really enjoyed the conversation.
Host:Brilliant.
Host:You take care.
Kerry Hughes:Thank you.
Nicholas Semple:Isn't she brilliant?
Nicholas Semple:I can't wait to hear what Kerry gets up to in the next phase of her career.
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Nicholas Semple:Bye for now.
Kerry Hughes:SA.
