Episode 105
The Power of Purpose with Nicola Pye
In today's episode of The Career Confidence Podcast, Nicola Pye talks about the power of purpose. What purpose is, what it isn't, how to uncover your purpose or more accurately how not to uncover your purpose!
Nicola shares:
- How identifying what energizes and motivates you is key to aligning your work with a sense of purpose.
- Purpose should not be perceived as a distant goal but rather as an ongoing journey towards fulfilling your passions.
- That organizations must continuously connect their employees to the overarching purpose to maintain engagement and motivation.
- How purpose-driven individuals may experience challenges in maintaining work-life balance, leading to potential burnout if not managed effectively.
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Transcript
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Speaker B:Hello and welcome to the Career Confidence Podcast where we share inspiring stories, practical strategies, hints and tips so that you build your career with confidence in this ever changing world.
Speaker B:I'm your host, Nicholas Semple, a career and confidence coach and author of the Career Confidence Toolkit.
Speaker B:Today, I am delighted to welcome Nicola Pye to the podcast.
Speaker B:As well as having a rather fabulous first name, Nicola is on a mission to connect people with their purpose and in doing so, she wants to inspire positive change.
Speaker B:Having spent the majority of her career at Ernst and Young in learning and leadership development roles, last year, Nicola took the brave decision to branch out on her own as the leadership coach and people person.
Speaker B:In this conversation we talk about purpose, what it is and what it's not, how you find it, or perhaps more accurately, what not to do.
Speaker B:If you want to uncover your purpose, have a listen and do let me know your key takeaways.
Speaker B:Nicola Pye.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker A:Hello, Nicola Semple.
Speaker B:It's all the Nicolas today.
Speaker B:So, Nicola, you are now the leadership coach and people person, but you haven't always been the leadership coach and people person.
Speaker B:So tell us a little bit about your career story.
Speaker B:How did you get to where you are today?
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:So I will take you right back because it's relevant, but I won't stay in the past for too long.
Speaker A: l services firms in the early: Speaker A:I, I'd kind of been doing a few other roles and I'd got interested in learning and development.
Speaker A:I kind of knew that's where I wanted to be when I was a grown up and EY had this role that I had like literally thought I had no hope of, of being able to get, which was a finance training role.
Speaker A:And I was like, go for it.
Speaker A:Because if I can get a year of EY on my CV and I can get a role then that could be a stepping stone towards a kind of genuine learning and development role.
Speaker A:So I managed to somehow get this role of training a group of accountants in finance with absolutely no finance background.
Speaker A:But I think what it was was I was really passionate about the learning and I kind of took the learning side of things very, very seriously.
Speaker A:Um, so that was a fantastic opportunity for me and it was really started to be my stepping stone towards the, the kind of learning and the development roles that I really dreamed of for.
Speaker A:I did that for a couple of years.
Speaker A:I got promoted to manager off the back of a massive finance transformation program that I was involved with for ey.
Speaker A:And then I also got asked to become IT Training Manager.
Speaker A:That was my first experience of really leading a team and, and I guess kind of starting to partner with the business around what needs were and what.
Speaker A:Because prior to that the finance training had been amazing because it really gave me a commercial understanding but there was a little, little bit of lack of choice in it.
Speaker A:Like you just needed to know how to bill a client.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:So got the IT Training manager and I took the finance training with me and that, that was real eye opener for me because I had this like commercial understanding of the business.
Speaker A:I had this quite operational understanding of.
Speaker A:And I knew absolutely that I wanted to take it into the.
Speaker A:At the time and to my shame we were calling it the Softer Skills Learning and Development.
Speaker A:So I just kind of put the feelers out and started to see if there was a way I could navigate my way to a kind of learning and development role.
Speaker A:That happened through net, through a couple of people in my network.
Speaker A:Did a sort of almost like a voluntary side of the desk project for a big leadership development program that wasn't going too well and I helped to get it back on track, got offered a learning and development manager role and I think probably at the first point in my career I'd sort of set some terms and so I said I'd love to come and join this team and be part of it, but just to be clear, my intention is I want to get promoted to Senior Manager.
Speaker A:And so we had a really honest conversation about what it would take to get from Learning and Development Manager to Learning and Development Senior Manager.
Speaker A:I started working my way towards that, got, got pregnant and went on maternity leave.
Speaker A:And whilst I was on maternity leave I managed to achieve the promotion to Senior Manager.
Speaker A:And I think that's when I came back, really felt I'd found my place.
Speaker A:So I came back to lead our student induction onboarding.
Speaker A:So for the next few years I'd take was taking responsibility for some, some years that was like 800, 900 people joining.
Speaker A:Beginning of September, everything had to be ready.
Speaker A:We were running kind of local office inductions across the uk, but we were bringing everyone to London as well for this massive one day kind of conference.
Speaker A:Such a fantastic experience because I got to work with really senior leadership, like our UK chairman, UK Senior leadership team, but also like at the other end of the spectrum, these super passionate, super engaged, super enthusiastic young people just starting their careers.
Speaker A:So I did that for a few years and then got, got passed up on an Opportunity that I really thought was mine in the bag.
Speaker A:That was a real setback.
Speaker A:I thought I was next in line for the head of that team.
Speaker A:Didn't turn out that way.
Speaker A:But again, put my hand up and said, I'm a bit gutted about this and I thought this was going to be something that I would be in line for.
Speaker A:And to the director at the time's credit, she.
Speaker A:She helped me find another role which she said she thought I was better suited to, which was going into a role where I was partnering with one of the service lines at ey, so that was the strategy and transactions part of the business.
Speaker A:She could not have been more right because I sort of found my place with these quite dynamic, quite entrepreneurial leaders, did that UK learning leader role for them for a few years and then took on the global Talent director role, which was my last role before I left ey.
Speaker A:And both of those two role, those last two roles were I think, the real defining roles for me.
Speaker A:I got to work with very senior leadership teams on a daily basis, but I also did my coaching qualification at the same time and really found my passion for.
Speaker B:And it sounds like you've had a very diverse career, albeit a large part of it within the same organization.
Speaker B:Yeah, but.
Speaker B:But doing at times some quite different things and using your network and, and seeking out these opportunities for yourself.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:I mean, I.
Speaker A:I sometimes say to people, I feel like my time at ey, because it was, it was the majority is the majority of my career so far.
Speaker A:I actually feel like I had seven different jobs.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:In that time, as you say, very different.
Speaker A:And all of them brought something really quite unique and special.
Speaker A:I mean, even that finance training role, which on paper I thought was going to be the most boring role on the planet.
Speaker A:Gosh, I learned so much about how a business works and my commercial thinking just from that point was.
Speaker A:Was really different to some of my peer group who'd always had the more traditional learning and development backgrounds.
Speaker B:And also for anyone who has not worked in a large organization like that, moving around into different teams while you're still working within the same organizational culture, it can feel very different.
Speaker B:It can feel like a whole new job.
Speaker B:Because while some things are familiar, other things are very new to you, 100%.
Speaker A:I mean, particularly those latter sort of few moves, even just silly things like they involved a move of building new environment, new people around you.
Speaker A:And that, you know, that point at which I started to become a leader of a team that felt so different to the previous roles where it'd be much more of a sort of sole trader role.
Speaker A:So yeah, you know, I don't look at that 22 years and think that they were very similar.
Speaker A:They feel, yeah, they feel completely different and could have been very different organizations but they were the same organization on paper.
Speaker B:And so that all sounds like a very rich, very rewarding journey that you were on.
Speaker B:So what made you decide to leave?
Speaker A: around, would you believe it,: Speaker A:I, I'd started the global talent director role and absolutely loved the role but realized I'd kind of probably reached the ceiling of where I wanted to go at ey, probably where I had the opportunity to go.
Speaker A:I'm not a qualified accountant.
Speaker A:I probably didn't have the, the right skill set to go further at that point.
Speaker A:So that was one, one element.
Speaker A:There's kind of an element of like did I want the director promotion kind of to prove something a little bit to myself.
Speaker A:Suspect that was part of it.
Speaker A:Once I'd got it I, I think I was left a little bit like is this it?
Speaker A:And that, that, that sounds really unfair to EY because it was an amazing role but it perhaps just, yeah, it was a weird feeling.
Speaker A: Then of course: Speaker A:I had this lots of time to think but I also had this like I'm working like a crazy woman.
Speaker A:I'd moved into the global role and the way to do homeschooling and to do a global role seemed so obvious and such a brilliant idea.
Speaker A:I know what, I'll get up at 6am in the morning, do a few hours work whilst my daughter sleeps, then I'll do some homeschooling and then I'll do a few more hours work and then I'll still be on a call at 10pm because I can stretch my day because it's global which you know in some sense meant that I could meet my family commitment and my work commitment.
Speaker A:But it was not a good, not a good move for my well being.
Speaker A:And then the sort of third factor was probably at the same time as this.
Speaker A:My, my sister is a CEO of a charity and the decisions, the things that she was thinking about when we all went into lockdown are like, are people going to still be alive?
Speaker A:She is a caregiving charity.
Speaker A:Bit like I'm just worried about whether or not I've got the right font on a PowerPoint.
Speaker A:And again, it sounds like I'm really ungrateful to ey.
Speaker A:I'm so not.
Speaker A:The experience and everything was so rich, but it just started to become clear that it become the end of the road.
Speaker A:One thing I did know though was that what lit me up, what saw me through that, those dark days when I'd been overstretching myself, was when I was coaching people and I was, I was doing kind of almost side of the desk part of the executive coaching function at ey.
Speaker A:I just loved it.
Speaker A:I loved it and I knew that there was something about doing that.
Speaker A:I started doing some work to help my sister's charity and a couple of other charities and I just, yeah, I just kind of really realized that I, I, I like being really close to where the action is happening.
Speaker A:And maybe that was the other thing that wasn't quite working for me in the global talent role.
Speaker A:I was just away from being able to see an actual impact that was having.
Speaker B:So tell me more about what being the leadership coach and people person means in real life.
Speaker B:What, what do you actually do so?
Speaker A:Well, I'm so, I'm 18 months into this extraordinary journey of I guess stepping towards my purpose and like finding what really matters to me, what lifts me at the same time as helping leaders and helping businesses focus on their purpose.
Speaker A:So at kind of pure day to day level, that means I could be coaching one to one senior leaders of charities or small business purpose driven businesses or I could be working with the whole of a leadership team in a more kind of team coaching space.
Speaker A:And what's also been lovely probably over the last six, nine months, maybe a little bit longer, some of those clients have then asked me to get involved and bring a bit more of my global talent director skill set.
Speaker A:So I've been doing more culture, more values actually.
Speaker A:How do we, not just how do we set the leadership team up to, to really drive towards this purpose, but how do we create a culture of this business that really reflects this purpose and helps us to be successful in that space?
Speaker A:So that's probably bouldering a little bit more into consultancy.
Speaker A:But I like to do it, I think I do it in a way that is a very coaching way of doing it.
Speaker A:And I'm very much almost part of that team, part of that leadership team driving that transformation.
Speaker B:And the word that kept coming up there was purpose.
Speaker B:And I know, I know just from the content you share on LinkedIn that it is your Real passion.
Speaker B:I have to be honest, I've got a bit of a bugbear with the word purpose because so often we hear people talking about I need to find my purpose.
Speaker B:Like what, what does that actually mean?
Speaker B:And how, how do you find your purpose?
Speaker A:So I am 100% with you about the finding purpose.
Speaker A:It was something that we talked about a lot when I was still at ey and I must admit I was a bit cynical at that point.
Speaker A:Almost to the point where there's a bit of eye rolling going on.
Speaker A:I can't lie because I, I don't.
Speaker A:There might be some people that wake up in the morning and literally feel like they, they had a light bulb come on.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:And they know exactly what they're put on this planet to do.
Speaker A:For me, I use the word purpose because I think it's a relatable word.
Speaker A:It's word that people more and more are understanding.
Speaker A:But what, for me, what's more important is what, what energizes you?
Speaker A:What feels like it really matters, what makes the work that we do feel like it has meaning to us.
Speaker A:And I kind of came to that almost from a well being perspective.
Speaker A:I noticed about myself and I noticed about the leaders that I coach.
Speaker A:There's times when their energy feels high, there's times when they're doing work that feel really sustainable and there's times when it almost feels like the energy tap has been turned on and the tank is being emptied.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So for me, purpose is.
Speaker A:It isn't something that you isn't hidden treasure on the.
Speaker A:That you go looking for something that you horizon for.
Speaker A:It's actually just being intentional about stepping towards what excites me, what energizes me, what, what makes me feel like I want to get out of bed in the mornings.
Speaker A:And so I don't particularly worry about can I articulate my purpose.
Speaker A:I don't particularly worry about that with my clients.
Speaker A:I more focus on how can we get clear for you right now what feels like it's going to make the work feel like it's worthwhile.
Speaker A:For some people that can be changing the whole world.
Speaker A:For some people that can be making a difference on one person's life, whatever it is, I think all are worthwhile and we should be celebrating those people that want to do that.
Speaker B:And I absolutely love your description of that, about being intentional about stepping towards the things that energize you because I have lots of conversations with people that saying I just don't know what my purpose is and I need to Find my purpose before I can make any changes to my career and my recommendation, my advice to them is always just go out and try stuff.
Speaker B:Don't sit at home waiting to find your purpose.
Speaker B:Go out and experiment and try different things and, and see, see what lights you up and then when you, when you find what lights you up, do more of that and head down that path.
Speaker A:And I think the other thing that's been, this has probably been more of a personal learning for me is like don't feel you have to reinvent yourself as part of that journey of discovery.
Speaker A:So and I did fall down that trap.
Speaker A:So when I decided that I wanted to leave eyes I already had my, my coaching qualification but I thought right now I've really got to credentialize myself if I'm going to go out into the big wide world.
Speaker A:That I started doing a health and wellbeing coaching qualification and it was, it was kind of interesting but pretty much like a couple of modules in I was like this isn't for me, this isn't what lights me up.
Speaker A:Because very quickly I realized that I like being in the business environment.
Speaker A:I like being at the table with a group of leaders and giving them a pokey bit of feedb or helping them to see things in a different way.
Speaker A:Well, if I'd gone down the health and well being, you know, totally reinvented Nicola Pie I would have cut that opportunity off for myself.
Speaker A:So I've got a big thing about purpose.
Speaker A:Isn't, isn't about reinvention.
Speaker A:It's about bringing our past life, our strengths, our values with us and finding not the purpose but just finding little moments that really energize us and taking notice of those.
Speaker B:Yeah, and I know you've been doing quite a bit of research around purpose.
Speaker B:Tell us about is it the purpose papers that you're creating.
Speaker B:What, what have we got to look forward to?
Speaker A:So this has been a tiny bit of a labor of love of mine.
Speaker A:When I, when I started to realize that I felt I'd been on this kind of intentionally stepping towards purpose and a lot of the businesses and a lot of the leaders I was working with were doing something similar, I realized that there's some maybe a way of talking about purpose that I hadn't really heard before.
Speaker A:So I, over the last 912 months I've just been interviewing people in my network who would describe themselves as not necessarily purpose driven or purpose led but people who just feel that they've got kind of an element of purpose or being purposeful in Their in their role.
Speaker A:So I've done about 40 interviews with ranging from charity CEOs through to senior leaders of commercial businesses.
Speaker A:And I've just tried to kind of pull out what are the common themes, what are the strands that I have noticed from those interviews and what can I help share?
Speaker A:Really a sort of attempt to make well I guess probably challenge some of your thoughts thoughts around and your sort of issues with purpose to make it very practical to make it something that whether you're an individual wanting to find that thing that matters or wanting to kind of feel just the, that work lights you up a little bit more or if you're a leader and wanting to do that for your team, for your business.
Speaker A:So the first paper that I'm launching on the 11th of March is going to be called the the Power of Purpose and there I'm really talking about.
Speaker A:What I've, what I noticed from those interviews was a few themes around connection.
Speaker A:The more we can make people feel connected to the organization purpose and connect that to what matters to them, what energizes them.
Speaker A:Clarity.
Speaker A:There's so many people that don't quite understand how they fit into the big, big picture of the organization and finally kind of energy.
Speaker A:So what can you do as a leader, what can you do as an individual to really pay attention to what energizes yourself, what energizes your team and find ways, whether that's opportunities for people to work on projects or find just find different things really to go where the energy is.
Speaker A:Because the more we go where the energy is, the more I'm convinced that we are stepping towards our purpose.
Speaker B:And so you've had these 40 odd, 40ish conversations.
Speaker B:That is not an insubstantial amount.
Speaker B:That's a chunky bit of research you've done.
Speaker B:Was there anything that came out that surprised you that you thought oh wait a minute, I wasn't sure we were going to go down this road?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So a couple of things I'd say the first one I referenced in the first paper is this kind of concept I've come up with called elasticity of purpose.
Speaker A:And that what, what I'm really getting at there is that we probably not many people wake up every single day of their life, every, for every moment in their career feeling 100% connected to what matters.
Speaker A:So for me the concept of elasticity is we can stretch further away, we can come back towards the.
Speaker A:And, and both of those are fine.
Speaker A:And you have to kind of do what, what your life needs you to do at the point.
Speaker A:But just being intentional.
Speaker A:Am I at the place that works for me right now?
Speaker A:So that this.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's interesting because I've really noticed that there's different points in people's career.
Speaker A:The mid 40 female point that I can relate pretty well to myself seems to be a point.
Speaker A:And I think this is where this kind of queenager type concept from that there's this like I want to be committed.
Speaker A:I want to be connected to something that feels more important to me than just turning up for the daily grind.
Speaker A:That was quite a surprise.
Speaker A:The other one.
Speaker A:And this will be a paper that I'll be launching later in the year.
Speaker A:There's a dark side to purpose as well.
Speaker B:Oh, tell me more about that.
Speaker B:That makes me very curious.
Speaker A:So a couple of themes that so purpose.
Speaker A:People who.
Speaker A:Who are really connected to purpose.
Speaker A:Particularly when it's a purpose for.
Speaker A:On behalf of others.
Speaker A:For others.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:There's such a strong theme that it can be really hard for them to find the off.
Speaker A:Off switch.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So almost like that, you know, we've got that kind of slightly stereotypical view of the 80s where it was all money, money, money, like almost like this.
Speaker A:An equivalent happening I think for purpose driven businesses right now where people are just pushing themselves harder and harder and harder potentially towards burnout in pursuit of achieving and fulfilling that purpose for others.
Speaker A:That's one part of the dark side.
Speaker A:And there's another part of the dark side which is when leaders don't do a great job of connecting individuals who work in that business to the overarching purpose.
Speaker A:It can all go a little bit haphazard and people can kind of go off in their own personal pursuits and they forget to bring it back to the collective.
Speaker A:And so what that sometimes means is people become quite disengaged with the overall mission or organization and start to become quite resentful that the organization is trying to pull them back into something that they don't actually think they signed up for.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that sort of takes us probably full circle back to the.
Speaker A:The first paper which I'm really trying to kind of spread the word of is like connect people, clarify to people and energize people with your.
Speaker A:With your purpose.
Speaker A:And that's on repeat.
Speaker A:That's not just a one and done.
Speaker A:You've got to keep doing that because you've got to keep pulling people back in again.
Speaker A:You're what lights you up and is energizing to you is fantastic.
Speaker A:And we want to harness that for the collective.
Speaker A:Not just to go down your sort.
Speaker B:Of personal passions and agenda and everything you're seeing there.
Speaker B:What's coming up in my head is about just really bringing it all to life.
Speaker B:So it's a bit like, you know, when you walk into large corporate organizations and they've got their values plastered across the wall, but then the interactions you have, the conversations you have, those values are not playing out in the real world.
Speaker B:And so I guess it's a similar thing with purpose.
Speaker B:It's about living and breathing it and reminding people about it and bringing everyone along as a collective on that journey.
Speaker A:And that's a really fascinating point that came up actually through the research that those organizations that seem to be really being successful at living or fulfilling purpose, the way they talk about purpose and values was almost interchangeable.
Speaker A:They, they're the same thing to them that almost values are just the, the how and purpose is the why, but they're the same, they're actually the same thing.
Speaker A:They are this lived experience that people are, are having both as part of that mission, but also of course of, of the, you know, the clients or the beneficiaries that are on the receiving end of, of those, that purpose and those values.
Speaker B:Incredible.
Speaker B:So you are about 18 months into this journey.
Speaker B:We've got, we know that the purpose papers are going to be part of that journey going forward.
Speaker B:Where else, where is your purpose taking you?
Speaker A:So I absolutely love working with smaller sized businesses, whether that's charities or whether that's purpose driven.
Speaker A:But businesses and charities that are, you know, they're trying to do good stuff but in pursuit of that good stuff they're tackling some really, really big knotty issues.
Speaker A:I absolutely love doing that and I, I, I want to be able to continue to do that.
Speaker A:And a big part of my business strategy is that I, I try to keep those relationships going as long as they can so that, so I'm almost like the no brainer, like we've got a people, culture, values kind of challenge they're trying to solve as a leadership team.
Speaker A:Nicola can come and help us with that.
Speaker A:I definitely want to carry on doing that, but I quite also like the idea that these purpose papers could take me into a slightly different, so they could maybe take me into slightly bigger organizations perhaps as more one off experiences and the, yeah, I, I can't actually believe I'm saying this but I would like to get more into sort of like the public speaking, perhaps starting to envisage myself.
Speaker A:I mean this kind of thing feels very, very lovely and safe and a nice, lovely chat with you.
Speaker A:But the thought of being on stage does fill me a little bit with dread.
Speaker A:But equally, I kind of want to get out some of these messages and that there, that could be a good platform to do that as well.
Speaker B:But just, I guess following your own advice, when, when the purpose is strong, when, when the pool is strong and the energy is leading you there, then it helps you overcome that discomfort of, of standing up in front of people and, and talking because you're sharing about what's important to you.
Speaker A:I could not agree more with that.
Speaker A:The, the, I mean, they'll all, and I think they'll always be the nerves with the like, kind of.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Of course, when I facilitate a leadership team workshop, the day that I don't feel nervous going into that is really the day I feel like I should just stop.
Speaker A:But I do think when you're passionate about something, when you feel like you've got something that will be really helpful to people for them to hear, and you're 100% right, it becomes less about the stage and it just becomes more about the.
Speaker A:This is an opportunity to help and give a point of view to lots of people.
Speaker B:So you have come a long, long way from that finance training role?
Speaker A:I have, yes.
Speaker B:If you were to go back and give 21 year old Nicola some advice about her career, what would you be telling her?
Speaker A:I think there's two things.
Speaker A:So the first one is 100% and I learned this probably at that point where I had the setback of the role that I thought I should have got but didn't.
Speaker A:If people don't know what you want, then they can't help you find it.
Speaker A:And I, I really wish a few points, but even before that I wish I had been braver and more willing to be open about what it is that I actually wanted.
Speaker A:EY was a fantastic place.
Speaker A:If, if I had so many opportunities and I genuinely think some of those opportunities were created for me, I could probably harness that even more.
Speaker A:And then the second bit of advice is never underestimate the power of your network.
Speaker A:So I kind of knew it, ey, but maybe I just become a bit complacent.
Speaker A:But since leaving EY and setting up as the leadership coach and people person, the, the network has become, has been just so amazing to me.
Speaker A:Whether that's XY people or people that I met through, you know, three roles that I was doing at ey, I've got XY people in my client base.
Speaker A:I've had referrals, I've had incredibly sound and generous advice from people.
Speaker A:And so, yeah, just that, give something to the network and not as a transaction, but you'll 100% be glad of how much you gave to the network because you'll get it back more than double.
Speaker B:Now, I'm sure after hearing everything that you've said, people are going to want to join in your network.
Speaker B:What is the best place for people, first of all to get in contact with you, or just to connect with you, but also to access the purpose papers.
Speaker A:So I'm.
Speaker A:I'm a bit of a LinkedIn lover, so everyone is very welcome to connect with me on LinkedIn and I'd love to continue the conversation to anyone who's interested via that route.
Speaker A:I'm also have my website, www.nicolapi.com and.
Speaker B:That'S P Y E just in case people start looking for Nicola.
Speaker B:P I E.
Speaker B:Good point.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker A:The bane of my life.
Speaker A:And on that page, on that website, there will.
Speaker A:There's a resources page and that's where people will be able to download the purpose papers from.
Speaker B:Fantastic.
Speaker B:Thanks so much for joining us today, Nicola.
Speaker B:It has been.
Speaker B:Well, let's put it this way, you have changed some of my perceptions about the word purpose.
Speaker A:I am honoured to hear that.
Speaker A:Thank you so much.
Speaker B:Fantastic.
Speaker B:Bye for now.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker B:A massive thank you to Nicola.
Speaker B:What struck me during our conversation is just how passionate she is about the work that she does and that to me is what purpose is all about.
Speaker B:What's that thing that lights you up?
Speaker B:Build as much of that as possible into your career and keep pursuing those things that make you feel energized and make you feel alive.
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